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October 12, 2013
11:35 pm
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just in case the topic didn't give it away, i still on noob level, but I'm a little curious/confused. nano and micro coil builds are referring to wire gauge (pretty obvious i think) and higher wrap count, I also think, but what does either afford you? is it a taste thing, a big cloud thing (seems counter-intuitive) or just a device-specific thing? just now getting into rebuildables, very curious about taste/vape differences they (rba's) are said to offer, and ive been seeing/hearing about these coil styles specifically for pro tanks. I'm gearing up to rebuild my pro tank2 for the first time and would like some clarification if available. cheers.

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October 12, 2013
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Sub ohm coils are certainly not anything a new vaper should be thinking about. Sub ohm coils can be dangerous if you don't understand the limitations of your batteries and can cause some pretty undesirable results. The rage right now is sub ohm coils, they will give you a hotter vape and certainly more vapor. I personally do not recommend anyone try vaping sub ohm coils without knowing battery amperage limits and battery safety. You also don't mention what you are using as a device, protected devices will not even fire a sub ohm coil, so you would need a mechanical device to use them.

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October 13, 2013
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Everything Steve said I think is right, but I wanted to add the basic point that because of the way the physics work, a sub-ohm coil lets you get more watts out of your mod. And the more watts thing leads to the hotter vape Steve is talking about.

If you get into sub-ohm coils, that's when you need a mechanical mod, that wouldn't have the wattage limitations a more usual electronic mod would have.

If you just want to use a rebuildable dripping atomizer at any kind of sane wattage level, you can do it fine on a regular electronic mod, don't need a mech mod at all.

I've never tried it, but I have no idea why people want such high wattages on their vapes. My current MVP V2 only goes up to 11 watts and I've only had it that high a time or two, and the juice tasted burned when I did that.

I have no idea what a nano-coil is, I've just heard the term around a few times.

October 13, 2013
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After sleeping on this post, this post worries me. A new vaper, joins a forum, and the first post is a question about sub ohm coils. This is what just might start giving the vaping community a bad name. I have to wonder exactly what this person is using device wise that their vape is so unsatisfactory that they feel the need to use sub ohm coils? I think this is a youtube thing, more of these people on youtube need to push battery safety when they are talking about sub ohm coils, new vapers are starting out on mechanicals, no way to check resistances, and then building sub ohm coils. If this is going to continue, it won't be long before someone has a mechanical blow up in their hands or someone has a battery venting toxic gas's and a vaper winds up in the hospital.

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October 13, 2013
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I agree, not sure where this fad came from either. I just don't see the need for sub-ohm coils. Building a 1.6-1.8ohm coil on a regulated device will give anyone more than enough flavor, vapor, and TH to suffice… and there's really no danger to it at all. Going sub-ohm, there are many pitfalls and things to know in order for the battery to be safe and not cause potentially harmful issues. Most should not even think about any of it until they have been vaping for many many months, and even then, it's just for the novelty of it. Most experienced vapers do not even want any of that hubbub…just a nice vape.

October 13, 2013
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Steve said
I think this is a youtube thing, more of these people on youtube need to push battery safety when they are talking about sub ohm coils,

I've made this comment on the board before, but this vaping market is a mess. The documentation is all over the internet. There's no good place for newbs to go an easily figure out what's going on.

Part of that being my impression could be that for whatever reason, it was evident to me I didn't want to start with cig-a-likes. I didn't want something that was an alternative to cigarettes, I wanted something that was an upgrade from cigarettes. And for whatever reason, I decided mods were that upgrade, but not cig-a-likes, so that may have made it harder. There's more to know about getting into mods, and since there's no one centralized place that will just tell you everything… It would have been a lot easier to just pick a vendor like Halo, use their cig-a-like product, and go from there.

But Steve, this is an exploding market, and there's more than one way to cash in other than to make your own juice. Are there any basic, short books a newbie vaper could quickly read? I haven't seen them. I've mentioned on the board before that I've noticed you write tutorials particularly well at times. And you responded that you've been doing it for years professionally. Not that it's important, but my impressions so far is you go in spurts, where for a couple of days you really nail a lot of posts in a row, then there are other days where you're distracted or something, and your posts are still really informative and good, but don't nail it quite as well as you are capable of.

Have you considered writing a 30 page manual and selling it on Amazon as a Kindle book for between $2-$5? You probably have a better idea than me how long it would take to write it. Then you compare it to what I think would be a very conservative, disappointing estimate of selling a thousand copies over a three month period.

As a quick example, this post isn't as well written as it could be, but I consider it to have 80% of the content, and 50% of the structure of what newbs need to know about how to pick a mod. But them finding this information, it's scattered all over the entire internet… And if they found my post, it's confusing because I just wrote it stream of conscious, I didn't outline it first or anything like that. If they just had a 30 page book they could spend $3 on, would save them all kinds of time…

Anyway, the post I'm talking about is in this thread:

http://epicecigreviews.com/eci…../shopping/

If this sounds like a decent idea you might do, feel free to delete this post. Whenever I put real effort and try to make money off some random idea I had, I'm intentionally paranoid and don't say anything about it. Ideas by them self have no value. But if you're gonna put real work into it and try to make your own money, why give the idea out for free?

It's possible the idea has already been implemented, but I haven't seen it…

October 13, 2013
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levander said

But Steve, this is an exploding market, and there's more than one way to cash in other than to make your own juice. Are there any basic, short books a newbie vaper could quickly read? I haven't seen them. I've mentioned on the board before that I've noticed you write tutorials particularly well at times. And you responded that you've been doing it for years professionally. Not that it's important, but my impressions so far is you go in spurts, where for a couple of days you really nail a lot of posts in a row, then there are other days where you're distracted or something, and your posts are still really informative and good, but don't nail it quite as well as you are capable of.

Have you considered writing a 30 page manual and selling it on Amazon as a Kindle book for between $2-$5? You probably have a better idea than me how long it would take to write it. Then you compare it to what I think would be a very conservative, disappointing estimate of selling a thousand copies over a three month period.

Thanks for the compliment Levander. I am a trainer and I also write manuals for a living. I just don't want to do it all the time. If I have a lot of time, then my posts can be more specific and include links etc. I am not looking to cash in from vaping. I like everyone else was a noob and learned the hard way that some devices just don't work. I used the e-cig type batteries and really still do use them from time to time. When Chris asked me to join the forum as a mod, I only wanted to pay it forward all the help that I see a lot of influent members of the vaping community give. They have and still are a constant source of learning for all of us. I just feel good knowing that I am helping someone along the way, I wish back then I had someplace to reach out to like this forum.

Being a part of this forum has taught me a lot, and I see all kinds of posts come through. I see noobs come in and say that they are just starting out and they are thinking about getting a Provari. I see posts like this one that trouble me, first post in and starts out by saying he is a noob and then asks about the most advanced part of vaping thus far. He hasn't responded because he probably thinks I was harsh, but that's ok, I am here to tell it like it is, not like people want to hear. If he read my post and thinks twice about sub ohm coils before actually doing it without any research, I have done my job.

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October 13, 2013
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Okay, I'm gonna push one more time because I think it's a good idea. But I'm fully aware that for your lifestyle, it may not be a fit. It'd be more work for me because I'm not as steeped in this community as you are, e.g. I haven't been around as long getting insights. But I could do it. But I know it's not a good fit for me. So I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't a good fit for you either.

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When Chris asked me to join the forum as a mod, I only wanted to pay it forward all the help that I see a lot of influent members of the vaping community give.

Yeah, all the work you put in this place, I figured it wasn't the $30 bucks worth of free MBV juice, lol

My using the term cashing in was cynical. Let's use the term pay it forward. Writing a manual, giving people an easy, trusted place to go to to get a basic understanding of what the hell is going on, would be paying it forward. All these "influential members of the vaping community", they're all making money off it. They've all got ads on their Youtube videos. Chris says he makes enough money that he quit his day job. He's not making a fortune, but he's making okay money. And I'm glad they're making money doing it. It means they have more time and motivation to provide me with even better information.

You say you wished you had a resource like this forum to ask questions when you started. Wouldn't it have been even easier to just have had a $2-$5 manual? I've only been here a month or two, just getting a handle on things, and I'm already beginning to see the repetition patterns that aren't the questions, but behind the questions. If someone wrote that book for you, you wouldn't have really appreciated it?

The only problem I would have is if you somehow cornered the market, no one else was able to write a book, and you charged some exorbitant ridiculous price for the one manual anyone had access to…

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Being a part of this forum has taught me a lot, and I see all kinds of posts come through.

Which is one of a couple of reasons why you'd be uniquely qualified to write the manual. Another being experience writing tutorials. Another being a reasonable outlook on life. You don't need Albert Einstein to write this book. We just need some guy with a solid common sense perspective, which you've obviously got. The newbs just need one organized, trusted place to go where they can get all the basic information. This guy who started this thread was smart enough to ask a question. But you don't think there are other newbs who just buy the stuff without asking the question first?

Anyway, maybe just keep it in the back of your head and see if the seed grows later on. How long would it take you to write a 30 page manual anyway? That's the trick to getting ventures off the ground I think, keep the milestones really small initially.

Another topic that we didn't even cover that would be a huge pain is marketing, just so people know the book's out there. My guess is you'd have to head over to ECF and foster a personae there. Figure out the rules of what they'll let you post about the book, etc.. You would probably be able to work something out with Chris where he mentions your manual in a video, etc.. But marketing would be another pain.

October 13, 2013
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this discussion has been very insightful. I am new to vaping (3-4 mnths seriously into it) despite having played around with it back in '07/'08 with the green smokes, it didnt capture my attention as it has now because there now seems to be much more creativity and individuality deeply enveloped into it, it is certianly a movement. i dig that and its been the reason ive taken to it full steam this time around, having not touched an anaolog since…but, yes, i did only join the forum last night..but this isn't the only forum I've joined. ecf is just saturated with content, making it easy to get lost. I really dig indoors smokers and wanted to support what the guys are doing. clearly my topic was perhaps a big first step in the very wrong direction. I do understand the risks of sub ohm coils (at the very least that there are some serious risks associated), despite the fact that there certainly isn't enough instant information out there about them (thanks for the book ref, levander). I feel shitty for sparking the reaction that my type of intrigue could be seen as negatively contributing to the vaping community image. certainly not my intention.

Steve, I've got a k100 (using only a 18350), a smoktech magneto & SiD (the evic was too gimmicky, the provari beyond my budget at the time) and a small handful of egos (mega vv v2, vv twisters, and a few standard 3.7v 900mAhs). but what was really behind my question was the simple fact that if I can rebuild them instead of buying these coils pre-made, why not? dripping attys seem too cumbersome for me right now I'm a learner and i like to control as many aspects to anything i do…replacing one addiction with another. i grow my own veggies in the heart of LA, cuz i dont trust what others may label "organic," and it takes this type of inquiry into where folks are taking vaping and the "new" ways things are being done for me to not think about fiening for a cig but instead fiend for a another type of vape experience. I'm still just a dry sponge, man…but Im not stupid either. I've got some working knowledge but also know theres much much more to gain.
there is a buzz about the sub-ohm thing…I see it in my "research" but if it's seen as overkill then that just reinforces my underlining suspicions. I'm not trying to subscribe to this "extreme vaping" fade…I don't know enough about the evolution yet, but I thought to ask the professionals…the folks who do have the years and years under their belts.

again, this helped a lot. I appreciate the candid and honest exchange between all involved.

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October 13, 2013
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I feel shitty for sparking the reaction that my type of intrigue could be seen as negatively contributing to the vaping community image. certainly not my intention.

No man, that's not what we were trying to do to you at all. I'm too tired to analyze the meat of your post right now, but I promise to make sure you've got an answer by some time tomorrow. But all people want to do here is make sure you've got some decent information. It wasn't your enthusiasm that was causing alarm. What was causing alarm is how well YouTube is disseminating information to people. And then we got into the discussion where I'm trying to make Steve write a book…

October 13, 2013
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Being a part of this forum has taught me a lot, and I see all kinds of posts come through. I see noobs come in and say that they are just starting out and they are thinking about getting a Provari. I see posts like this one that trouble me, first post in and starts out by saying he is a noob and then asks about the most advanced part of vaping thus far. He hasn't responded because he probably thinks I was harsh, but that's ok, I am here to tell it like it is, not like people want to hear. If he read my post and thinks twice about sub ohm coils before actually doing it without any research, I have done my job.

I hear ya Steve, and no not harsh, just concerned and honest. I get it.

perhaps I should clarify and give a little more context, background. I mentioned that Im 3-4 months into this vaping thing, but that's not entirely true I suppose. I got on board the green smoke train back in '07/'08 but it wasn't giving me the will to give up smoking. whether it was the flavor or the cost-prohibiting factor it was for me at the time, it just didn't stick. but then a few years ago the disposables came to market in full force. I couldn't walk into a 7-11,drug or liquor store without seeing them at the counter. it made it easier to switch my decision from buying a pack of smokes to grabbing a disposable…plus (like a fool) fell for the 300 puffs thing. so i was doing that from time to time starting in '11, but soon they, too, weren't making much economic sense for me. then I stumbled onto green smart living and, for a time anyways, found my "home"…rechargeable and great flavor. it was my regular go-to for about a year, smoking only occasionally when I couldn't find refills or didn't have a charged battery…or just wanted a little more kick in my throat. but then simply finding and keeping gsl prefills around began to become a major task, green smart's website was down a couple of times and after resorting back to cigs as a quick fix, knew something had to change. i started to think there must be a better way…there must be a way to refill these cartos myself, whenever I wanted. there's gotta be better options out there. without youtube, without ecf or talking to anyone, this inquiry, this wonderment, led me on a quest all stemming from a simple question…my first search was the big bang spark that led me into the vast universe vaping had become. I had no idea of how far this thing had come since the green smoke days. not only did i discover other people had asked the same questions i did, or ran into the same frustrations that i had, but were building their own islands, not only making their own juices but building their own devices too-what!?! that was it, the hook was set and a monster created.
ever since, I've been almost too aggressively seeking more and more information, soaking up everything i can, advocating this to all of my buddies who still smoke and whoever else will listen, even buying starter kits for them. this thing has saved my life…and it was a good feeling to discover so many others, millions across the world, had long been paving the way for people like me, creating new technologies, creating new experiences…to be part of such an important movement…I still get a chill thinking about that first search.

the community should be protected. vets like you,Steve, Chris and others, have every reason to crack a whip to wheel in greenhorns like myself. there are forces out there trying to regulate and ban this lifestyle and if people are thinking they can just go out and spend a bunch of money trying to chase down these mega clouds after watching someone in a youtube vid but only end up melting their face off, then guess what? vaping will have an even bigger target on its head. i get why my topic, fresh out the gate, raised eyebrows. noob coming in and thinking he can comprehend the advanced aspects of this….but I say I'm seriously in 3-4 months out of respect for those who have created the path and journeyed the way for years for people like me to do this the right/smart way. i say im new, and i truly think i am, but I've got my own hang-ups too…ive heard of so many and know a few who are now avid vapers but were never smokers to begin with. that trips me the f out…my eyebrows raise when I run across these people and I think to myself, some of u are the people who are going to give this thing a bad name eventually (i repeat "some"…don't want to offend anyone who falls into that bucket).

thanks for the support and the chance to speak on it.

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No man, that's not what we were trying to do to you at all. I'm too tired to analyze the meat of your post right now, but I promise to make sure you've got an answer by some time tomorrow. But all people want to do here is make sure you've got some decent information. It wasn't your enthusiasm that was causing alarm. What was causing alarm is how well YouTube is disseminating information to people. And then we got into the discussion where I'm trying to make Steve write a book…

thanks levander. i kinda got my answer, i think…that it's just a way to vape hotter, bigger, at high wattage…but more importantly,that it's also somewhat unnecessary. at least that's what I walked away with.
I'm here for the long haul, man…continuing my education, my evolution.
cheers.

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thanks levander. i kinda got my answer, i think…that it's just a way to vape hotter, bigger, at high wattage…but more importantly,that it's also somewhat unnecessary. at least that's what I walked away with.
I'm here for the long haul, man…continuing my education, my evolution.
cheers.

Yeah, that's my impression and beneath the hype you'll see, it's what a lot of people say. But there is a contingency of people who really like that stuff. I just haven't figured out why yet. The only guy I've seen here talking about using a mech mod is CompeteToDefeat, but he don't post much.

This guy on YouTube, MC Vapes, has some buzz around him about people really liking to learn how to build coils from him. I've watched some of his stuff and he seems on top of things to me. Here he talks about whether or not you need a mech mod:

But, he doesn't get into why people really dig that stuff. Maybe watch some of his other videos where he's demoing certain products? If you look at all the videos he's uploaded, these would probably be the ones where he's got a giant plume of smoke coming out of his mouth in the cover shots. If he's demoing products, he'll probably talk about why he does or does not love them so much, which would almost be the equivalent out of what he gets out of vaping at such ridiculously high wattage levels.

I'll probably watch them later. It sounds like you've put the whole sub-ohm coil thing on the back-burner as far as interest goes. But if you watch them, let us know what you think?

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levander said

Yeah, all the work you put in this place, I figured it wasn't the $30 bucks worth of free MBV juice, lol

My using the term cashing in was cynical. Let's use the term pay it forward. Writing a manual, giving people an easy, trusted place to go to to get a basic understanding of what the hell is going on, would be paying it forward. All these "influential members of the vaping community", they're all making money off it. They've all got ads on their Youtube videos. Chris says he makes enough money that he quit his day job. He's not making a fortune, but he's making okay money. And I'm glad they're making money doing it. It means they have more time and motivation to provide me with even better information.

You say you wished you had a resource like this forum to ask questions when you started. Wouldn't it have been even easier to just have had a $2-$5 manual? I've only been here a month or two, just getting a handle on things, and I'm already beginning to see the repetition patterns that aren't the questions, but behind the questions. If someone wrote that book for you, you wouldn't have really appreciated it?

Which is one of a couple of reasons why you'd be uniquely qualified to write the manual. Another being experience writing tutorials. Another being a reasonable outlook on life. You don't need Albert Einstein to write this book. We just need some guy with a solid common sense perspective, which you've obviously got. The newbs just need one organized, trusted place to go where they can get all the basic information. This guy who started this thread was smart enough to ask a question. But you don't think there are other newbs who just buy the stuff without asking the question first?

Levander, I know what you are saying, but I am not a part of this community to make money from them. I am a part because I want to be supportive to people looking to quit smoking and I am also looking for that support in return, I know there are many opportunities to make money in this ecig boom. I have been just toying with the idea of what I would do if my current job didn't work out. I thought about the possibility of opening a vape store/lounge here, there is a definite need for one here and I am sure it would do really well. I have the business experience to be able to do it, but at my age not sure I have the drive anymore.

As far as writing a manual, it is just not that simple. There are so many devices out there today and new ones coming out everyday. That manual would constantly need to be updated and soon it would be a huge book. I am very content supporting everyone here where I see I can help. The mods and myself have put a lot of work into putting a lot of good information on this forum and it is there if a user would just take the time and use the search function and read. It is always great to see the post count go up, see all the discussions on different topics, get everyone's opinion on things, but sometimes it just takes someone to read. The info is all here, there are tools such as mixing calculators, vaping voltage/wattage charts, vaper's glossary, etc. Those tools are not things we created, but they are things that we have used or use in our vaping experiences and we put them here so that members could benefit from them also. The biggest part of being a part of the forum is to help people, a place where a user can ask a question and get an honest answer, one that hopefully will help them along the way to either quit smoking or stay off cigarettes. I am certainly not looking to make money from them.

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rushuno said

I hear ya Steve, and no not harsh, just concerned and honest. I get it.

perhaps I should clarify and give a little more context, background. I mentioned that Im 3-4 months into this vaping thing, but that's not entirely true I suppose. I got on board the green smoke train back in '07/'08 but it wasn't giving me the will to give up smoking. whether it was the flavor or the cost-prohibiting factor it was for me at the time, it just didn't stick. but then a few years ago the disposables came to market in full force. I couldn't walk into a 7-11,drug or liquor store without seeing them at the counter. it made it easier to switch my decision from buying a pack of smokes to grabbing a disposable…plus (like a fool) fell for the 300 puffs thing. so i was doing that from time to time starting in '11, but soon they, too, weren't making much economic sense for me. then I stumbled onto green smart living and, for a time anyways, found my "home"…rechargeable and great flavor. it was my regular go-to for about a year, smoking only occasionally when I couldn't find refills or didn't have a charged battery…or just wanted a little more kick in my throat. but then simply finding and keeping gsl prefills around began to become a major task, green smart's website was down a couple of times and after resorting back to cigs as a quick fix, knew something had to change. i started to think there must be a better way…there must be a way to refill these cartos myself, whenever I wanted. there's gotta be better options out there. without youtube, without ecf or talking to anyone, this inquiry, this wonderment, led me on a quest all stemming from a simple question…my first search was the big bang spark that led me into the vast universe vaping had become. I had no idea of how far this thing had come since the green smoke days. not only did i discover other people had asked the same questions i did, or ran into the same frustrations that i had, but were building their own islands, not only making their own juices but building their own devices too-what!?! that was it, the hook was set and a monster created.
ever since, I've been almost too aggressively seeking more and more information, soaking up everything i can, advocating this to all of my buddies who still smoke and whoever else will listen, even buying starter kits for them. this thing has saved my life…and it was a good feeling to discover so many others, millions across the world, had long been paving the way for people like me, creating new technologies, creating new experiences…to be part of such an important movement…I still get a chill thinking about that first search.

the community should be protected. vets like you,Steve, Chris and others, have every reason to crack a whip to wheel in greenhorns like myself. there are forces out there trying to regulate and ban this lifestyle and if people are thinking they can just go out and spend a bunch of money trying to chase down these mega clouds after watching someone in a youtube vid but only end up melting their face off, then guess what? vaping will have an even bigger target on its head. i get why my topic, fresh out the gate, raised eyebrows. noob coming in and thinking he can comprehend the advanced aspects of this….but I say I'm seriously in 3-4 months out of respect for those who have created the path and journeyed the way for years for people like me to do this the right/smart way. i say im new, and i truly think i am, but I've got my own hang-ups too…ive heard of so many and know a few who are now avid vapers but were never smokers to begin with. that trips me the f out…my eyebrows raise when I run across these people and I think to myself, some of u are the people who are going to give this thing a bad name eventually (i repeat "some"…don't want to offend anyone who falls into that bucket).

thanks for the support and the chance to speak on it.

Thanks for the reply rushno. I am glad you didn't take it to heart. I tend to worry when I see someone's first post on the forum ask about one the most advanced things in vaping at the present time. It also has the possibility of being dangerous if that user doesn't know exactly what they are doing. As a moderator on the forum since day one, I have seen a lot of first posts and posts in general that has made me shake my head. We have had users who asked for advice on mods, ignore all advice given and then purchase a mod and then come back after they received it and wanted to sell it because it was not for them. We have had members go out get devices, just start cranking up voltages, burning all of their coils and then complain about how their device sucks. So, had this post been posted after you had been here for awhile, it might not have caused the same response.

As far as micro coils go, I am not against them nor am I for them. I think a user has to make that decision on their own, I just hope that they know about safety before they do it. The safety factor not only applies to sub ohm coils, it applies to everything to do with ecigs. These are electrical devices and they need to be treated as such. Complete battery safety, from use, charging, maintenance to me is critical.

Anyway, glad you could join the forum and not to worry about your first post. Please feel free to jump in on the discussions, the more opinions the better.

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October 15, 2013
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Steve said
As far as writing a manual, it is just not that simple. There are so many devices out there today and new ones coming out everyday. That manual would constantly need to be updated and soon it would be a huge book.

Well, I wouldn't put that many devices in a basic intro manual, but I said I was only going to push back one more time. And it's only possible to change someone's mind either way over an internet message board only so much. Thanks for the responses Steve! It was interesting to see how someone else thinks in a different way about the same problem.

October 15, 2013
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rushuno said

just in case the topic didn't give it away, i still on noob level, but I'm a little curious/confused. nano and micro coil builds are referring to wire gauge (pretty obvious i think) and higher wrap count, I also think, but what does either afford you? is it a taste thing, a big cloud thing (seems counter-intuitive) or just a device-specific thing? just now getting into rebuildables, very curious about taste/vape differences they (rba's) are said to offer, and ive been seeing/hearing about these coil styles specifically for pro tanks. I'm gearing up to rebuild my pro tank2 for the first time and would like some clarification if available. cheers.

micro and nano coils are the same thing as far as I'm aware… outside of how large the loops are anyhow. The basic principle in either is to use a a lot of winds then compress them together so they are making contact. For example to do a 1.8ish ohm protank head rebuild with a microcoil I'm using about 13 winds of 28 gauge kanthal. The original idea behind them was to be able to get a sub ohm like vape without going sub ohm. I guess supposedly achieved by way of having a ton of wick to wire contact. In practice they work well, but not as well as sub ohm mechanicals or very high wattage variables like DNA 20 MOD's.

Starting off just try to get standard builds at reasonable resistance levels (1.8 to 3 ohms) first. A lot can go wrong when you start drifting down to 1.4 ohm and lower range, and most variable MOD's won't even fire anything lower than 1.2 or 1.3

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much appreciated competetodefeat. I've actually played around with building in general (trying different wire, wicks, etc.) and learned a lot since my initial post last week. and you hit it on the head, micro/nano are just more wraps and compressed, somewhat necessary for protank rebuilds but not much else.

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I mentioned it in another thread somewhere but there's a few tricks to getting those coils perfect almost every time. First use a rigid form like a drill bit, nail or anything else that's the right diameter. A screw can also be used by just letting the wraps follow the threads then twisting the screw out of the coil. Either way you do it the idea is to get the coils as even and close together as you can. After you've wound the coil use something like tweezers, vice grips or anything else that can handle a bit of heat and compress the coils together in it then heat it with a torch for about 10 seconds or so (depends on how powerful of a torch you use). Get the coils good and glowing hot and remember to not squeeze too tightly on the coil because it'll easily just compress into a useless mess at that point. Let it cool for a few seconds then hit it again from the other side for good measure. After letting it cool off enough to handle you can remove it and you're good to go. The heating of the coil will cause it to hold it's shape and the coils will be touching perfectly. Also be careful when you are compressing the coil because it's real easy to have coils start to overlap other coils which you don't want.

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